01.16.07 The “Jesus” You Never Heard Pt.1
"You might as well say ‘Jesus sucks another $&%#’,” he exclaimed, to the shock of everyone in the meeting. I understood his exasperation. The “Jesus” problem was tiring all of us, but a problem worth working through together.
Manufacturing was set to begin shortly on the just mixed and mastered Twilight - my second record - when the buyer for a major Christian book store chain had eleventh hour objections to a lyric of mine. I was being banned.
The problem line was in the song “Jesus,” a simplistic tune updating Matthew 25’s “What you’ve done to the least of these my brothers you have done to me.” I put it this way: “When we love the least / When we love the weak / When we love these / We love Jesus.” That was palatable for the buyer.
The first verse was not: “Jesus brings a meal for tips / Jesus turns another trick / Jesus raising two alone / Jesus drives a heavy load.”
Banned. That’s not good, I thought, especially being banned by a store responsible for selling 27% of my first album’s approximately 100K unit total. And there seemed to be nothing I could do about it but go along with my label’s decision to pull the song from the record - and quickly, so the already much-publicized release date wouldn’t have to be pushed back.
Then I had an idea. I got on my computer and looked up the buyer’s home phone number and placed the call.
“May I speak to _______________ please?”
“This is _____________.”
“This is Shaun Groves in Nashville.”
“Oh,” he said, sounding embarrassed or afraid.
“I’m not angry,” I quickly reassured - which wasn’t entirely true. “I know about your decision not to carry my next record because of the Jesus song and I wanted to hear your side of things. All I’m hearing is what the label is telling me. And all you know about my reason for writing it the way I did is what they’re telling you, and I just think when two Christians disagree with each other they shouldn’t have to do that through a middle man. Is this a good time to talk or would you rather me call you at work sometime?”
He was kind. Not at all what I thought he would be. He listened, as it turned out, to the music his many stores sold because he cared about what was being fed to the Church. And also, he explained, because his stores have a no return policy for all music purchases. He was afraid he’d have angry or confused customers wanting their money back when they heard Jesus portrayed as a prostitute.
And as the conversation unfolded it also came to light that he personally was uncomfortable with Jesus engaging in a sex act, and Him doing so for money was even more disturbing. “Jesus doesn’t sin,” he said.
He and I heard each other out and hung up agreeing to disagree.
Then came the sometimes-heated meeting - the one that erupted in the “You might as well have said...” exclamation I’ll never forget. Three folks from my label, one of them an attorney, my manager, and two representatives from my distribution company. They called the meeting to convince me the right decision was to pull the song from the album and be done with the controversy. I was there to suggest a different solution to our problem.
I proposed we not allow a book store buyer, as good a man as he was, to decide what was and wasn’t biblically true and appropriate for the Church to hear. Instead, I asked that we send the song and a lyric sheet to a panel of theologians and pastors we choose together. I asked that we not tell these experts what the controversy was all about or who’s side we were on, but simply ask each person to look the lyric over and let us know if they thought it was theologically sound. Then, I promised, I would submit to the panel. If one of these men thought the song was immoral or inaccurate or heretical in any way and for any reason I would stop fighting to keep it on the album.
I chose theologians like Stanley Hauerwas, and Will Willemon. And pastors like John Piper and Tony Campolo. And of course my own pastor, who’d not only allowed me already to play the song in our church services but also taught me the lessons it was based upon. The rest of the room threw out names like Billy Graham, Franklin Graham, Max Lucado and Charlie Peacock - people the label’s founder Michael W. Smith had easy access to already. They named Scotty Smith, Rick Warren and Bill Hybels and other well-known pastors at the time.
These were the leaders of the American churches. If anyone should be determining for us what the Church should and should not be taught it was this panel and not a well-intentioned bookstore buyer with a return policy and potentially disgruntled customers on his brain, or a label staff with an upset distribution company on it’s back, or a distribution company with promised deadlines to live by, or an overly sensitive song writer asserting his right to artistic expression.
The CDs and lyric sheets were sent out immediately.
And we waited…

Ryan G said:
no! finish the story!
said:
Brian told me this story when you were in Waco with Shane and Shane, and as good a storyteller as Brian is, it his a different feel coming from you. I like that feel.
emma said:
.... oh please finish the story!!
said:
I should also say, that I had hear this “Jesus.” I was one of the 20 or so people that showed up at the show at Mary Hardin-Baylor in Belton, TX. And you sang “Jesus.” Brian had given me the heads up on a “powerful” song that was “controversial” but that still did not deaden the blow when you sang “Jesus turns another trick...”
After it sunk in it, took me the whole drive back to Waco for me to help my Bro-in-law through the ideas of Matt 25.
Mark said:
Why can’t I remember the first verse for the life of me? Fortunately, I have the song on my iTunes here at work so I can listen to it and end the suspense.
Stephanie said:
Cliffhangers suck.
Good comments in CT yesterday and today, though.
said:
These lyrics really didn’t phase me when I heard them in Knoxville, other than, oh, he changed-up the lyrics a little. I didn’t realize the song had originally been written that way. When I listen to all the words and take them in context, I don’t see Jesus turning another trick different from Jesus bringing a meal for tips, or hiding a tatooed arm, etc.
Mark, the lyrics are in the vault section.
Seth Ward said:
Oooo. Good one.
That was always my fav. on that album.
What? No Pat Robertson on that list??? wth?
Susanne said:
I loved that song when I heard you sing it at WTBC, and I don’t see a problem with your original lyrics. We’re supposed to treat strangers as if they were Jesus, so I don’t see why a prostitute would be any different from any other stranger. I get tears in my eyes every time you get to the part, “Jesus swinging in my backyard.” Beautiful song!!
Starshine said:
Wow, Shaun! What a cliffhanger! I so admire you for asserting yourself and for proposing such an awesome solution. I can’t wait to hear what happens!
Chelsea Groves said:
a friend gave us the great blog name. we love your music.
another funny name thing was we had someone sing “Your Renown” in our wedding and we put groves as the artist and it made some people think my husband was going to sing a song.
said:
Shaun,
I guess I can see both sides, but definitely feel that when we choose to view those people in your song as Jesus, we are doing what He commanded us to do. I only wish I was better at viewing EVERYONE I come in contact with (and even those I just read or hear about) the way Jesus wants me to. I play that song a lot to serve as a reminder for me. I have to work hard to see Jesus in everyone. Thanks for sharing this story and I’m looking forward to hearing the ending.
Don’t compromise your values or your stance on the important issues. There’s too much compromise going on now in this world.
Beth
Shawn said:
I just think he was pissed off because “Tip, Trick and Alone, Load” didn’t rhyme.
A alterntive verse that might have sold him could have gone
“Jesus in corner skank, Jesus fills your gas tank, Jesus in the shopping mall, Jesus stops a bar room brawl”.
Or maybe
“Jesus in a barber shop, Jesus in a traffic cop, Jesus has to pimp himself, Jesus with skidrow wealth”.
Nevermind, that wouldn’t work wealth and himself don’t rhyme either.
Does this guy seriously not get the implication that doing wrong to these people is doing wrong to Jesus? That boggles my mind, I mean I get it and I am just a stupid 28 year old that’s had drug problems.
lyrics said:
very nice,but finish the story..
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